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|-
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! align="left" | Venue Type
! align="left" | Venue Type
| Arena/Stadium
| Stadium
|-
! align="left" | Capacity
| 56,000
|-
! align="left" | Lineup
| Corgan, Iha, Wretzky, Aronoff, Garson
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! align="left" | Order of Bands
| The Smashing Pumpkins, KISS
|-
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Surfaced Recordings
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | SBD #1a
|-
! align="left" | Source
| SBD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| 13m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| No
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| "The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music" Tape > CDR
|-
|-
! align="left" | Notes
! align="left" | Notes
| Opening for Kiss. Features the first known performance of "Cash Car Star", one of last of "Tear" (played only 5 more times 2 years later), and one of few of "Eye".
| From a tape circulated by Billy. Money and X.Y.U. only.
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! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | SBD #1b
|-
! align="left" | Source
| SBD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| CD
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Surfaced Recordings
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| 5m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| No
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| "KISS: The Psycho Circus Concert Special" official release
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Today only. Radio promo distributed in November 1998.
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | SBD #1c
|-
! align="left" | Source
| SBD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| CD
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| ~13m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| No
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| "Adore" official reissue 2014
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Money and X.Y.U. only.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #1
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #1
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|-
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| CSC>Sony PCM-M1
| CSC > M1
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
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|-
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| DAT-M>CDR
| DAT-M > CDR
|-
! align="left" | Live Music Archive
| [http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1998-10-31.shn 16-bit download]
|-
|-
! align="left" | Notes
! align="left" | Notes
| From first row off floor. Some rustling/distortion in "Cash Car Star"
| Recorded from first row off floor. Some rustling/distortion in Cash Car Star. Occasional wind gusts.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #2
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #2
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|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| MKE2>Sony PCM-M1
| MKE2 > M1
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
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|-
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
! align="left" | Complete?
| No, first minute of "Money" missing.
| No
|-
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| DAT>CDR
| DDC-? > CDR
|-
! align="left" | Live Music Archive
| [http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1998-10-31.mke2.flac16 16-bit download]
|-
|-
! align="left" | Notes
! align="left" | Notes
| From first row off floor.
| Missing first minute of Money. Superior to AUD #1.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | SBD #1
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AMT #1
|-
|-
! align="left" | Source
! align="left" | Source
| SBD
| AUD
|-
|-
! align="left" | Format
! align="left" | Format
| unknown
| Hi8
|-
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| unknown
| Unknown
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
| 13m
| 63m
|-
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
! align="left" | Complete?
| No, only "Money (That's What I Want)" and "X.Y.U."
| Yes
|-
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| "The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music" Tape>CDR
| Hi8-M > VHS-1 > DVD
|-
|-
! align="left" | Notes
! align="left" | Notes
| From a tape circulated by Billy.
| Obstructed screen shot.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | PRO #1
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | PRO #1a
|-
|-
! align="left" | Source
! align="left" | Source
| PRO
| TV
|-
|-
! align="left" | Format
! align="left" | Format
| TV broadcast
| VHS
|-
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| TV
| Unknown
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
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|-
! align="left" | Complete?
! align="left" | Complete?
| No, only "Cash Car Star"
| No
|-
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
| VHS-M>DVD
| VHS-M > DVD
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Cash Car Star only. Circulating transfer has X and Y fields reversed. VHS-? > CDR audio transfer also circulates.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AMT #1
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Unsurfaced Recordings
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | FM #1
|-
! align="left" | Source
| FM
|-
! align="left" | Format
| DAT
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Notes
| Today and a short interview with Billy.
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #3
|-
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! align="left" | Source
! align="left" | Source
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|-
! align="left" | Format
! align="left" | Format
| Hi8
| MD
|-
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| unknown
| CSB > MZ-R30
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
| 64m
| ~65m
|-
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
! align="left" | Complete?
| Yes
| Yes
|-
|-
! align="left" | Lowest Circulating Generation
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | SBD #1
| Hi8>VHS(2)
|-
! align="left" | Source
| SBD
|-
! align="left" | Format
| ADAT
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
| Unknown
|-
! align="left" | Length
| ~60m
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
| Yes
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#ffe156" colspan="2" | Unsurfaced Recordings
! align="left" | Notes
| Vault copy.
|-
|-
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | AUD #2
! bgcolor="#fff9de" colspan="2" align="left" | PRO #1
|-
|-
! align="left" | Source
! align="left" | Source
| AUD
| PRO
|-
|-
! align="left" | Format
! align="left" | Format
| DAT
| VID
|-
|-
! align="left" | Equipment
! align="left" | Equipment
| MKE2>M1
| Pro-Cams
|-
|-
! align="left" | Length
! align="left" | Length
| 61m
| ~65m
|-
|-
! align="left" | Complete?
! align="left" | Complete?
| Unknown, at least first minute missing.
| Yes
|-
|-
|}
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* Cash Car Star (abandoned)
* Cash Car Star (abandoned)
* Cash Car Star
* Cash Car Star
* X.Y.U. (alternate lyrics; slower tempo)
* X.Y.U.
** The Ethers Tragic (tease)
** The Ethers Tragic (tease)
** Never Say Never [Romeo Void] (tease)
** Never Say Never [Romeo Void] (tease)
** Where Boys Fear to Tread (tease)
** Where Boys Fear to Tread (tease)
** Never Say Never [Romeo Void] (tease)
 
=== Notes ===
* Billy and James performed dressed as the Beatles
* Kenny Aronoff's last show
* Only performance of Money
* First performance of Cash Car Star
* Last performance of Eye until 2008-08-08


== Banter ==
== Banter ==
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<b>Money (That's What I Want)</b><br>
Unknown man (tape?): Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.  Right here tonight on this big stage, we’ve got a really big show.  Would you please welcome...The Beatles!<br>
<b>Zero</b><br>
'''Money (That's What I Want)'''<br>
<b>Ava Adore</b><br>
'''Zero'''<br>
<b>Eye</b><br>
'''Ava Adore'''<br>
<b>Tear</b><br>
'''Eye'''<br>
<b>Today</b><br>
> '''Tear'''<br>
<b>Bullet with Butterfly Wings</b><br>
> '''Today'''<br>
<b>Thru the Eyes of Ruby</b><br>
> '''Bullet with Butterfly Wings'''<br>
Corgan: Hi ya'll, happy Halloween! We're the Pumpkins, it sounds so wrong.  Nice to see you all, hope you have a good Halloween. Be happy, be safe, we love you.<br>
> '''Thru the Eyes of Ruby'''<br>
<b>Cash Car Star</b> abandoned after some wrong chords<br>
BC: Hi y’all, happy Halloween! We're the Pumpkins, heh heh heh, and it sounds so wrong.  Nice to see you all, hope you have a good Halloween. Be happy, be safe, we love you, thank you.<br>
Corgan: Halloween, it's got us too. Heh<br>
'''Cash Car Star''' (abandoned after 45 seconds of Aronoff intro)<br>
Iha: You know, Halloween...<br>
BC: Halloween, heh heh heh, it's got us too.<br>
Corgan: Our whole guitar is tuned wrong... somebody.<br>
Iha: You know, Halloween.<br>
Iha: Halloween is not known for a time for giving and...<br>
BC: Oh, our whole guitar is tuned wrong, uh, somebody, heh heh heh.<br>
Corgan: That was a joke, James.<br>
Iha: Halloween is not known as a time for giving and [interrupted as Billy talks over him]...<br>
Halloween is not known for a time of giving...forgiving, and now you will forgive us for not having one of our guitars tuned properly.  I'm sure Kiss has had tuning problems over the years, we've had ours, so we're going to rock you at any moment once we get the right bass.<br>
BC: Tell some jokes, James.<br>
Corgan: Oh yeah, thanks to Kiss for having us play with them.<br>
Iha: Halloween is not known for a time of giving and for giving and you will now forgive us for not having one of our guitars tuned properly.  I'm sure Kiss has had tuning problems over the years, we've had ours, so we're gonna - we’re gonna rock you at any moment once we get the right bass.<br>
Iha: Why I remember when I used to...<br>
BC: Oh yeah, thanks to Kiss for having us play with them.<br>
Corgan: [unintelligible] fan of the band.<br>
Iha: Why I remember when I used to [interrupted as Billy talks over him]...<br>
Iha: That holds true today. Why I remember I used to trick and treat as a child, oh what joy it brought to me.  I was a young man back then and any moment we'll have that bass. Why, what's your favourite pastime? My favourite pastime was in  [unintelligible].  Now I hear the sounds of a [unintelligible] bass so now, you'll all join us and rock.<br>
BC: Hottest band in the land, Kiss!<br>
<b>Cash Car Star</b><br>
Iha: Yes, that holds true today, doesn’t it? Why I remember when I used to trick and treat as a child, oh what joy it brought to me.  I was a young man back then and uh...any moment we're gonna have that bass. Why, what's your favorite pastime? My favorite pastime was being the [unintelligible].  Now I hear the sounds of a time travel bass.  So now, you will all join us and rock.<br>
Corgan: Thanks<br>
'''Cash Car Star'''<br>
<b>X.Y.U.</b><br>
BC: Thanks!<br>
(rant from Rhinowing)<br>
'''X.Y.U.'''<br>
<b>The Ether's Tragic</b> (tease)<br>
<blockquote>
'''The Ethers Tragic''' (tease - instrumental)<br>
she didn't wanna be<br>
she didn't wanna be<br>
she didn't wanna know<br>
she didn't wanna know<br>
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'cause she was crazy<br>
'cause she was crazy<br>
<br>
<br>
'''Never Say Never''' (tease)<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
i might like you better if we slept together<br>
but there's something in your eyes that says maybe<br>
but there's something in your eyes that says maybe<br>
and let's never say never<br>
and that’s never say never<br>
<br>
<br>
and i said<br>
and i said<br>
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i have another none<br>
i have another none<br>
'cause i love you<br>
'cause i love you<br>
<b>Where Boys Fear To Tread</b> (tease)<br>
yeah<br>
'''Where Boys Fear to Tread''' (tease - instrumental and lyrics)<br>
candy cane walks<br>
candy cane walks<br>
on down<br>
on down<br>
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<br>
<br>
i feel as though i am clever<br>
i feel as though i am clever<br>
i'm waiting on a boy named never<br>
i'm waiting on a four leaf clover<br>
jesus has his raygun pointed to never<br>
jesus has his raygun pointed to never<br>
and he tells me im gold<br>
and he tells me i’m so clever<br>
quiver<br>
<br>
<br>
into the eyes of the jackal<br>
into the eyes of the jackal<br>
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and everywhere that mary went<br>
and everywhere that mary went<br>
i was sure to go<br>
i was sure to go<br>
and mary's got a little problem<br>
now mary's got a little problem<br>
'cause mary's not a stupid girl<br>
'cause mary's not a stupid girl<br>
mary's in some real deep shit<br>
mary's in some real deep shit<br>
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and it began to snow inside her<br>
and it began to snow inside her<br>
and it began to snow inside her<br>
and it began to snow inside her<br>
she took a razor and she cut it out<br>
she sees the razor and she cut it out<br>
she took a razor and she cut it out<br>
she took a razor and she cut it out<br>
she took a razor and she cut it out<br>
she took a razor and she cut it out<br>
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mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
look inside her mother's thoughts to appear<br>
the face of her mother's thoughts to appear<br>
mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
mary dreams of a rearview mirror<br>
mary's not a stupid girl<br>
mary's not a stupid girl<br>
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mary's not a stupid girl<br>
mary's not a stupid girl<br>
she dreams of the snow and sun<br>
she dreams of the snow and sun<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>


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Latest revision as of 20:11, 1 November 2020

The Smashing Pumpkins
Date 1998-10-31
Venue Dodger Stadium
Location Los Angeles, CA, US
Venue Type Stadium
Capacity 56,000
Lineup Corgan, Iha, Wretzky, Aronoff, Garson
Order of Bands The Smashing Pumpkins, KISS
Surfaced Recordings
SBD #1a
Source SBD
Format Unknown
Equipment Unknown
Length 13m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation "The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music" Tape > CDR
Notes From a tape circulated by Billy. Money and X.Y.U. only.
SBD #1b
Source SBD
Format CD
Equipment Unknown
Length 5m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation "KISS: The Psycho Circus Concert Special" official release
Notes Today only. Radio promo distributed in November 1998.
SBD #1c
Source SBD
Format CD
Equipment Unknown
Length ~13m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation "Adore" official reissue 2014
Notes Money and X.Y.U. only.
AUD #1
Source AUD
Format DAT
Equipment CSC > M1
Length 63m
Complete? Yes
Lowest Circulating Generation DAT-M > CDR
Live Music Archive 16-bit download
Notes Recorded from first row off floor. Some rustling/distortion in Cash Car Star. Occasional wind gusts.
AUD #2
Source AUD
Format DAT
Equipment MKE2 > M1
Length 61m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation DDC-? > CDR
Live Music Archive 16-bit download
Notes Missing first minute of Money. Superior to AUD #1.
AMT #1
Source AUD
Format Hi8
Equipment Unknown
Length 63m
Complete? Yes
Lowest Circulating Generation Hi8-M > VHS-1 > DVD
Notes Obstructed screen shot.
PRO #1a
Source TV
Format VHS
Equipment Unknown
Length 4m
Complete? No
Lowest Circulating Generation VHS-M > DVD
Notes Cash Car Star only. Circulating transfer has X and Y fields reversed. VHS-? > CDR audio transfer also circulates.
Unsurfaced Recordings
FM #1
Source FM
Format DAT
Equipment Unknown
Length Unknown
Complete? Unknown
Notes Today and a short interview with Billy.
AUD #3
Source AUD
Format MD
Equipment CSB > MZ-R30
Length ~65m
Complete? Yes
SBD #1
Source SBD
Format ADAT
Equipment Unknown
Length ~60m
Complete? Yes
Notes Vault copy.
PRO #1
Source PRO
Format VID
Equipment Pro-Cams
Length ~65m
Complete? Yes

Setlist

Set:

  • Money (That's What I Want) [Strong]
  • Zero
  • Ava Adore
  • Eye
  • Tear
  • Today
  • Bullet with Butterfly Wings
  • Thru the Eyes of Ruby
  • Cash Car Star (abandoned)
  • Cash Car Star
  • X.Y.U.
    • The Ethers Tragic (tease)
    • Never Say Never [Romeo Void] (tease)
    • Where Boys Fear to Tread (tease)

Notes

  • Billy and James performed dressed as the Beatles
  • Kenny Aronoff's last show
  • Only performance of Money
  • First performance of Cash Car Star
  • Last performance of Eye until 2008-08-08

Banter

Unknown man (tape?): Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Right here tonight on this big stage, we’ve got a really big show. Would you please welcome...The Beatles!
Money (That's What I Want)
Zero
Ava Adore
Eye
> Tear
> Today
> Bullet with Butterfly Wings
> Thru the Eyes of Ruby
BC: Hi y’all, happy Halloween! We're the Pumpkins, heh heh heh, and it sounds so wrong. Nice to see you all, hope you have a good Halloween. Be happy, be safe, we love you, thank you.
Cash Car Star (abandoned after 45 seconds of Aronoff intro)
BC: Halloween, heh heh heh, it's got us too.
Iha: You know, Halloween.
BC: Oh, our whole guitar is tuned wrong, uh, somebody, heh heh heh.
Iha: Halloween is not known as a time for giving and [interrupted as Billy talks over him]...
BC: Tell some jokes, James.
Iha: Halloween is not known for a time of giving and for giving and you will now forgive us for not having one of our guitars tuned properly. I'm sure Kiss has had tuning problems over the years, we've had ours, so we're gonna - we’re gonna rock you at any moment once we get the right bass.
BC: Oh yeah, thanks to Kiss for having us play with them.
Iha: Why I remember when I used to [interrupted as Billy talks over him]...
BC: Hottest band in the land, Kiss!
Iha: Yes, that holds true today, doesn’t it? Why I remember when I used to trick and treat as a child, oh what joy it brought to me. I was a young man back then and uh...any moment we're gonna have that bass. Why, what's your favorite pastime? My favorite pastime was being the [unintelligible]. Now I hear the sounds of a time travel bass. So now, you will all join us and rock.
Cash Car Star
BC: Thanks!
X.Y.U.

The Ethers Tragic (tease - instrumental)
she didn't wanna be
she didn't wanna know
she gave it all away
'cause she was crazy

Never Say Never (tease)
i might like you better if we slept together
i might like you better if we slept together
i might like you better if we slept together
but there's something in your eyes that says maybe
and that’s never say never

and i said
i wanna fill you up
i wanna break you
i just can't give you up
i'm gonna make you
i have another none
'cause i love you
yeah
Where Boys Fear to Tread (tease - instrumental and lyrics)
candy cane walks
on down
to build a bonfire
to break my fall
my baby
she's just lazy
so just lay me

and i said
i wanna fill you up
i wanna break you
i just can't give you up
'cause i love you
i haven't had enough
i wanna take you

i feel as though i am clever
i'm waiting on a four leaf clover
jesus has his raygun pointed to never
and he tells me i’m so clever

into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
i might like you better
if we slept together
i might like you better
if we slept together

mary had a little lamb
her face was white as snow
and everywhere that mary went
i was sure to go
now mary's got a little problem
'cause mary's not a stupid girl
mary's in some real deep shit
and this how her garden grows
and it began to snow inside her
and it began to snow inside her
and it began to snow inside her
she sees the razor and she cut it out
she took a razor and she cut it out
she took a razor and she cut it out
she took a razor and she cut it out

into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
into the eyes of the jackal
owww
ah

mary dreams of a rearview mirror
mary dreams of a rearview mirror
the face of her mother's thoughts to appear
mary dreams of a rearview mirror
mary's not a stupid girl
she's got the snow and sun
mary's not a stupid girl
she dreams of the snow and sun

Photos and Memorabillia

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